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April 10, 2004

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"Liberals should just be honest and admit their agenda is not about blacks or women or "the poor." It's about the propagation of an ungodly worldview by any means necessary. But there'll be peace in the Middle East before that happens." -- LaShawn Barber


Yep. Just ask John Waffles Kerry. (Think that isn't an appropriate nickname? See this chart.)

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FYI. . .

Waffles is part of the new google-bomb campaign started by Esoteric Diatribe. First time I've participated in one of those. . .

Posted by: TulipGirl at April 10, 2004 07:50 PM

Oh, I tried to refrain, but I just can't.

Isn't a person, even a politician, entitled to grow, and possibly even (gasp!) change their mind about something? One reference in the chart dated back to 1988! For heaven's sakes, in '88 I was 14! Lots has changed! Most were from the 90's. My views on many issues were different in the 90's than they are today. It is often said that the world is a different place today... perhaps that has translated for Kerry, as for many others, in to a re-thinking of where they stand on certain issues. Perhpas he ahs seen where previous votes of his have led to (like maybe the Patriot Act?) and has realized he was wrong.

And TulipGirl, I'm surprised at your agreeing with this quote from LaShawn Barber. It seems to me to be nothing but inflammatory rhetoric. Attempting to demonize those who disagree with her politically. (I didn't go to the blog listed, but I'm assuming it's a "her".) Shall we then say all conservatives want a Christian theocracy with the Bible as our Constitution, as some would claim? I'll bet there's a lot of gay Republicans who'd balk at that almost as much as Jesus-following Christians who are politically liberal.

Posted by: AutMom at April 14, 2004 06:38 AM

Inflammatory rhetoric? Maybe a bit. . . Feeling a little cranky and PMSy--rhetoric appeals to me on days like that.

But, I do agree with the idea that many people are not honest with themselves or others about their motives, politically. I despise when NOW leaders speak "for women" and then advocate abortion and programs that I believe are not honoring to women. LaShawn Barber was specifically upset with people who label women like Condi Rice as "race traitors."

Btw, as a politically conservative Christian, I'm with the "liberals" that balk at the idea of a theocracy.

Posted by: TulipGirl at April 16, 2004 10:40 AM

a) Good to have you back online! Aren't new computers such fun :)

b) I can certainly understand the cranky thing, I tend to use hyperbole when I get real fired up, which tends to make me look like an idiot :\.

c) I agree with your assessment of "women's advocates." I'm sure there are some well meaning women who truly think they are helping women by being pro-abortion, and the civic activities that go with that, but the leadership is mostly, I feel, abusive to women.

d) As for the race traitor thing, I've never been able to understand it. I've not read a lot about it, but when I do hear things like this, it seems as if they are saying, "If you are black, and successful outside the realm of sports or music, then you've sold out to the white man, whose every way is evil." Which is ridiculous. I can't think of any other minority that does not value some degree of assimilation into the larger culture. This is not devalue minority cultures, but an honest assessment that whites do wield considerable influence in American culture by virtue of their numbers and historic control over society. As Latinos grow in number and gain political power, they too influence our American culture. I don't agree with everything Condoleeza Rice stands for, I'm sure, but I say good for her for using her God-given intellect/talents to rise to such a high position. But how does liberalism translate into finding Dr. Rice a supposed race traitor, I wonder? I must be missing a piece of the puzzle.

Posted by: AutMom at April 16, 2004 08:06 PM

Oh, I almost forgot...
e) So are you not among those Christians (many of whom I do count as friends, misguided though they may be) that says, "Abortion/Gay marriage/Gambling/Pornography/Prohibition of school prayer/(fill in the blank) should be illegal because God says so!"? Mind you, I'm not saying these should be legal; it's just that I don't think "because God says so" is a valid reason in a nation that a)makes no establishment of religion and b) is comprised of people who subscribe to various faiths.
I've blathered on enough, I look forward to hearing your thoughts :)

Posted by: AutMom at April 16, 2004 08:16 PM

a. Yes! Though, we don't have Office on it yet, so it's been hard making up English class worksheets without Word. Ugh.

b. Definitely PMS. I used to go to a particular debate website when I was feeling cranky so I wouldn't take it out on my friends. *eg*

c. Glad we agree. And it *is* a mixed bag.

d. "But how does liberalism translate into finding Dr. Rice a supposed race traitor, I wonder?" I don't know--except that she is conservative as well as being successful.

e. Yes and No. I do believe that the moral law as given in the Bible is the healthiest standard for basing our civic law. I think "(fill in the blank) should be illegal because God says so!" is a lousy political argument to make.

My understanding is that when God led the Israelites out of Egypt through the time they had the Judges, that Israel was a true theocracy. Then they demanded a king. God warned them of the problems that came with having an earthly king, but then gave them one.

I don't want a theocracy as early OT Israel was a theocracy--or as Iran is a theocracy, ruled by mullahs.

God told Israel, "I will be your God and you will be my people." Israel was both a "state" and a religous body.

God has told the church, "I will be your God and you will be my people." But the church isn't a state--it is spread throughout many states.

And so, it seems to me, establishing a theocracy in any one state doesn't seem to really be. . . hmmm. . . not sure how to say this or how clear I am myself on this. . . a theocracy doesn't seem to be the best way to illustrate the reality of the Church as the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ.

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