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July 17, 2007

Ezzo Week QotD: Still Popular?

Are the Ezzos still as popular as ever? . . . Do you think all the publicity has hurt his popularity at all?

Is Ezzo parenting still popular? It's hard to gauge, in some ways. Babywise is selling like hotcakes according to Amazon. I'm also seeing a wider approval for BW among those who are being introduced to it outside of a church setting. I'm still seeing lots of young, Christian mothers (especially among the new generation of mamas) being advised to try it. GFI-Australia seems to be continuing to grow. I don't know about the sales/popularity of the religious materials (renamed from GKGW* etc to "Let the Children Come Along the _______ Way.")

On the other hand, as a business GFI has drastically downsized. They once had 30+ employees in California. At some point there was a scandal regarding embezzlement and a family member which Ezzo has said was a misunderstanding. They switched to operating from the Ezzo's home in Cali, and a several years ago they moved to South Carolina. My understanding is they have an office in their home, employ a woman in the midwest who telecommutes, and outsources the shipping and promotion, etc.

I still meet enough young mothers (in real life and online) who find Babywise very alluring, in spite of the medical misinformation, Ezzo's poor reputation, and the many families who at one point used Ezzo's materials and then ditched them.

Many families who have at one time taught/used/supported Ezzo materials now don't--and some actively warn against it. Like the Abels, who were in the early videos and very involved with GFI initially. Many of the Voices of Experience are from "Contact Moms" who were volunteers supporting and promoting the GFI materials.

I've had a couple of people ask why I'm so vocal about this--especially since it seems like Ezzo has been so thoroughly discredited it's hard to imagine anyone following his ideas. But, I still meet moms on a regular basis who have seriously negative results after using Ezzo's materials--like Lori, whose baby was hospitalized and dx'd FTT. Using flexiblity, common sense, and seeking advice from Ezzo moms she trusted. . . And many more mamas who lose their milk supply, or realize they've encouraged excessive crying, or babies who aren't growing as they should, or mamas who are feeling stressed at the schedule not "working" and on and on. . . So whether or not Babywise and other Ezzo parenting materials are popular or not--they are still having an ongoing negative impact in many families.

I want to make clear that I know that parents who follow Ezzo parenting ideas, truly love their children and only want the best for them. Over time I have become more convinced that it is that love and dedication to raising their children that makes Ezzo parenting seem to "work" in some families. Yet, these materials are foundationally flawed and even unfailing love doesn't prevent all the harm that can come to families via Ezzo parenting.

What do you think--is the influence of Babywise and Ezzo parenting still expanding in your community?

* GKGW refers to Growing Kids God's Way which is now known as Along the Virtuous Way. Other parenting materials by Gary Ezzo include Babywise (aka Preparation for Parenting or Along the Infant Way) and others in the -Wise or Let the Children Come series. Confused yet? For more information, see Ezzo.Info.

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This post is part of the Ezzo Week 2007 series, raising awareness about the concerns with "philosophy" of parenting promoted by Gary Ezzo.


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There is a family in my church who taught GKGW for years, but now are associated with Campus Crusade for Christ and Family Life Ministries. They don't teach the GKGW courses anymore, but I still see copies of Babywise all of the place. We currently have a lot of young mothers having babies, and I have seen the book a fair bit. One of the mothers I know who has twins swore by it with her kids, but knowing her as I do, this kind of scheduling would appeal to her.

Fortunately, our pastor is not a huge advocate of Ezzo, so the materials aren't promoted as much.

What is really interesting is that I will be doing a book study with our young mothers in September, and will have an opportunity to get to know them better. I hope to be able to at least share with them the reality that there are many parenting resources out there, and one of them is the experience of other mothers!

Posted by: Kim in ON at July 19, 2007 06:47 AM

I have been hearing a lot of people saying "oh, no, we don't use the babywise material, I have heard about the conserversy surrounding it, but have you read ___________" Usually another baby scheduling, CIO method of parenting babies.

Posted by: Amie at July 19, 2007 07:32 AM

We attend a fairly large Presbyterian church, which my parents attended for a few years before I did. They indicated to me a while ago that there was an Ezzo contingent there in the mid-90's, consisting of a number of families and promoted by one pastor (who has since moved on to other things). Since then, I think it has either petered out somewhat or just slipped under the radar, or both.

Some examples:

  • One family I know had intended to use Babywise but then had premature twins with some complications, and the idea of scheduling sort of went out the window right away, thankfully.

  • Another family who we are very close to told me that they had used some of Ezzo's materials, and I made very clear what I had heard about the negative effects of using them consistently. The father was genuinely surprised at my immediate reaction. After further conversation, it became apparent that if they did read Ezzo's stuff, they didn't apply it with a rigid consistency, and they simply took some of his rigid rules as guidelines or rules of thumb. They have four really great kids who are polite and happy and fun to be around, so I think they are using wisdom and love more than anything else.

P.S. -- Being part of a large church, we have a good-sized church library available. One day a few years ago I noticed that there were a number of Ezzo's books on the shelves. Having been exposed to the heinous effects of these books by numerous sources (both personal and "virtual") including this site, as an act of charity I generously "undonated" these books right into the dumpster behind the building. And I'd do it again in a minute if they were replaced, but they haven't been. :)

Posted by: Ben Wisdom at July 19, 2007 10:56 AM

Oh wow, I read babywise when I was pg, and was going to use his routine thing, the sleep, eat, wake thing. Did it for about 2 hours and decided it wasn't going to work for us. Now I've got a 10 month old thriving content baby who naps on her own, sleeps with us at night, and is just the happiest thing ever. I have GKGW (a gift) and need to get rid of it. It honestly makes me sick. I'm not particularly AP, and I like a lot of the Pearls stuff (but there's about 10% of it that I rabidly hate) but right now there really isn't anything about ezzo that I *do* like.

Posted by: Cara at July 19, 2007 11:14 AM

Very interesting--I was totally unaware of the controversy. I had this book with my first baby, and it didn't work for us at all. Now I'm on my third, and honestly, I don't read books on parenting. I read books on infant development so I can know what to expect at different stages, but I think parenting is far too individualized to be prescribed in a book, and books end up making me feel guilty when I don't fit the cookie cutter. If women have been able to raise thriving babies for thousands of years without these books, I think I can muddle through without them too (but then, I am following my own family traditions, which work quite well--my mom was an excellent mother. If I came from an unhappy childhood with lost parents, I would probably seek more advice.)

Posted by: Inkling at July 19, 2007 02:22 PM

I appreciate your perspective on GFI. Whenever I read their "Christian" materials, I kindof squirm in my seat. The horror stories clinch the deal for me. I hope God directs lots of parents and future parents to this before they get sucked in.

Posted by: David at July 19, 2007 02:33 PM

Skerrib! I inadvertantly deleted your post! I'm sorry! Please write again. . .

Posted by: TulipGirl at July 19, 2007 07:48 PM

Here in the "buckle of the Bible Belt" Babywise and its "Churchian" manifestations are still all too popular. I am friends with at least six women who in the last year or two alone have completely lost milk supply because they were trying to follow that ridiculous schedule.

One of them was horrified to realize she was actually STARVING her third baby. "But GKGW worked so well for our first two!!" Talk about every child being different.

At our small Reformed Baptist church the materials are used by most of the young couples with children - even by one deacon and one young teacher of the church. Thankfully, our pastor has gone to individual couples and alerted them about the problems surrounding Ezzo and his materials and told them they are not to promote the materials at our church in any way. Despite our Pastor's admonitions, people are still users because ultimately, pragmatism wins the day - even in churches which pride themselves on good, discerning teaching and sound doctrine! Even our faithful pastor can't help but notice the "good results" BW has brought to some families. "It just works for some people, and their children are so well-behaved." He also refuses to make a church-wide statement against Ezzo and his materials - (which is what I would like to see) even though he has the lowest opinion of them - because he says it's not his job to tell parents how to parent their children. That is a cop out because he is in essence telling people how to parent by not taking a strong enough stand against information that is, as you clearly stated TulipGirl, "fundamentally flawed" on so many levels!

Certainly the leadership of the church should be held to a higher standard, at least. I for one, will not vote for a deacon who allows this false teacher into his home to guide and train his family - because I don't want that deacon guiding and training my family!

Posted by: Ana at July 19, 2007 11:05 PM

My view is too narrow to say. The wife of the pastor of the church we were in when I was pregnant with my first was into Ezzo and the church gave us a copy. I remember thinking, "This is what you do to your kids?" I couldn't believe it, but I did like the sign language.

Our church now promotes two books...first the Bible and second Shepherding a Child's Heart. I haven't read the latter yet, but no one talks about anything remotely similar to Babywise in any groups I've ever attended.

Posted by: Dana at July 20, 2007 03:17 AM

Here I am! Yes, at our former church, the GFI stuff has a fairly big underground following. One of the well-known families are WAY into it, and actively recruit for new followers. It's not part of any of the church curriculum, but this family holds classes on their own. There are families who choose not to join, but they have to project confidence about it 'cuz there's lotsa peer pressure...

Thankfully, we left for other reasons before it became an issue for us. At our current church I'm among more AP-types, and more importantly people who encourage without pushing agendas.

A sidenote--shortly after my son was born I was talking to a friend, wondering where I should nurse him at church, and she got a mischievous glint in her eye and said, "Wherever the He## you want--we've gotten everyone used to it!" Hee hee!

Posted by: skerrib at July 20, 2007 10:14 AM

My sister-in-law gave me the book when I was pregnant with my first (8 years ago). I remember thinking, "You are just way too uptight about this. Women have been caring for their children for millennia without the "advice" of this fascist." So we didn't use it. She did, but as I recall, nursing "didn't work out" for her kids for very long.

Posted by: April at July 20, 2007 10:31 AM

I first took GKGW and Prep at my old church about 15 years ago. As of maybe 8 years ago or so, the church stopped offering the classes. But I found that they did offer an "Along the way" class this past spring - and I was very surprised! A woman I know from our HS group and from soccer took the class and I was comfortable enough to share some of my concerns with her. However, she really is looking for a formula and that is what she liked best about it!

Posted by: Liza Q at July 20, 2007 11:33 AM

Tulipgirl, I want to thank you for all the parenting posts and links. I have a little 8-month-old girl now, and every day I am remembering and using the model of gentle parenting that you write about.

I haven't heard anyone mention Ezzo where I am, although his books are in all the bookstores (including the Christian bookstore, grr). Cry-it-out and scheduling are very popular, though.

Posted by: Peggy at July 20, 2007 12:19 PM

Aside from my LLL and "babywearing" friends (most of whom I've only known a year) almost EVERY ONE of my friends has Babywise in their library and uses it to varying extents. Most them are concerned that they have a baby who can easily be left for long periods of time with a sitter (for entire weekends), and many of them also give up nursing around 3 months.

Posted by: Martha at July 20, 2007 01:12 PM

We heard about the Ezzo method in the early 90s when I had my first. I am not a type A personality, rather laid-back instead, so this type of parenting rubbed me the wrong way. I agree with April - parenting has been happening for 1000s of years.

I am surprised this method is still popular today. I thought it was debunked shortly after it came out and began spreading (sounds like a disease). Now, given my laid-back approach I'm not going to say it doesn't work for some, I just don't appreciate the militaristic attitude that it's THE Biblical way. That's just bad theology!

Posted by: Barb at July 22, 2007 08:32 AM

I am going to be the unpopular opinion here, but I read Babywise and applied it to my child's life. HOWEVER, I took the "be flexible" (which they recommend) very seriously. I think their information is great to a first time mom (because I was clueless). I think it gets a bad rap because people follow it to a T, instead of using common sense. I nursed for a full year, as do most of the people i know who follow Babywise. The material really helped me, as a starting point. Not all of it worked, but I think the same could be said for any parental guidance. Children are all so different, so there is not a formula. Its when people turn guidance into a set formula that its a problem. I would not say I am a follower at all costs to Babywise, but I do think their materials are helpful.

Posted by: Sarah at July 22, 2007 10:37 AM

I'm actually LDS (Mormon), and live at BYU in their married housing. We've got babies all over the place and the Babywise books get passed around week to week to different moms.

Posted by: Emily at July 22, 2007 10:45 AM

GKGW was kinda big at our church about 10-15 years ago. Then it fizzled out. I myself read Babywise while I was pg with my 1st child and actually used the basic concepts of having my children on a feeding/sleep schedule with alot of common sense and flexibility. For my family and two kids it worked out great. Neither of my kids had any issue with weight gain, I chose to bottle feed as after much lactation counseling with both kids ( had nothing to do with babywise, it was difficult for both my babies to breast feed and at the time they were both new borns I had way too much outside stress going on to fully relax to let down... etc). I am kind of a Type A schedule/planner anyway and having some consistency in our life worked well.

I honestly hadnt heard about any controversy at the time I read the book. Most of my girl friends have read the book and some have used the basic concept of the books. Some of it was a bit extreme and for those things we all used common sense and did what was best for our child rather than "stick to the schedule" or whatever.

All in all, I wouldnt discount everything in the book, as the general idea of consistency and routine end up working for alot of families and have healthy thriving children. As with anything parents need to use their brain and if their child isnt gaining weight, crying too much, not urinating enough, etc... then the program obviously is not working for your child and you need to readjust to make sure your infant is taken care of. Your childs welfare is always more important than some stupid scheduling program.

Posted by: Melissa at July 22, 2007 12:58 PM

We did GKGW - Along the Infant way and Along the toddler way. We liked the idea of the schedule but did not let it dictate us. We didn't go all the way with it as the Ezzos might have liked. We picked what worked for us and we have two thriving boys. The only thing I'll ever take from them is the schedule the rest of their stuff is too much for me and my husband. We are now reading raising great kids by Dr. cloud and townsend and love it and the grace and truth over time that it teaches. We also love dr. dobsons books

Posted by: Nicole at July 22, 2007 01:10 PM

I have three children ages 2, 5, 7 and have used Babywise with all of them. Just to note, I've never seen or read the Christian version of Babywise.

My first child was textbook Babywise and quickly and easily fell into her schedule. She was sleeping through the night at 6 weeks old and was a very content and happy baby.

My second child was anything but content and happy. She was colicky for the first 3-4 months and I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown every day from all the crying. However, my one saving grace was that she was a great sleeper. I did manage to keep her to a schedule and by 8 weeks old she was sleeping through the night. I was thankful that I could at least get a good nights sleep so I'd be fresh in the morning to take her crying on :)

My third also followed Babywise but now with two older sisters it was much harder to keep him to a schedule and so we became more loosey-goosey. Okay, very loosey-goosey. Even so, he was sleeping soundly through the night by 12 weeks.

I guess I should also note I breastfed successfully with all three.

My church has people in both Babywise and AP camps. Our church doesn't endorse one way or another but highly recommends "Shepherding a Child's Heart" which is probably the best parenting book on the market for Christian parents.

I know many moms that Ezzo works for and many moms that it hasn't worked for. I think the bottom line is that we eventually all end up at the same place (with kids that sleep through the night), we've just taken different paths to get there.

I'm a very detailed, orderly type of person and so using a schedule fit my personality and lifestyle perfectly. It gave me the type of structure I needed so I could succeed as a mom.

Of course, I used common sense and if the baby was hungry before 2 hours, I fed him. For me it has been about following the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law.

My pediatrician had recommended that I feed my infants about every 2 hours and that fell within the guidelines Ezzo gave. In fact, for myself, I honestly can't imagine feeding a kid more than every 2 hours---it was exhausting for me. But of course, during growth spurts sometimes it was every one and a half hours or less.

In my experience, I think people get too caught up on the feeding portion. To make Babywise work, I believe that it's more about the order of actvities (eating, playing, sleeping) than how much time elapses between feedings. But for some reason every one gets caught up on the number of hours/minutes with the feedings.

I guess I share all that just to say that for some parents Ezzo can be a good choice. I certainly understand all the concerns and questions his techniques have caused; and I don't want my positive experience to take away from the moms who had the opposite experiece. However, it grieves me that we have to have a "week" where we try to discredit and bring more division to an already hot topic.

I'm not defending Mr. Ezzo and his troubles that have surfaced, but I would just encourage you to not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Even if Babywise is not your cup of tea, the other books in this series are phenomenal. I'm currently reading "On Becoming Preteen Wise" and it is providing valuable insight and guidance about my oldest. I really think you'd be hard pressed to find anything in that book or Childwise, etc that you'd find offending or philosophically wrong.

Well, I've gone on much too long. But I just wanted to enter the debate and provide a different perspective. Thanks!

Posted by: Natalie at July 22, 2007 01:21 PM

I really want to read all these links, but I just don't have time.

I do want to say, that I'm not sure if it's as popular as it used to be b/c I'm sort of out of that stage of parenting. But I followed it with my first, ditched it with the other two, and now I really detest the concept.

But I feel like I have an insight on why it is so appealing. At least, speaking from experience. I wanted a textbook. I wanted someone to tell me what to do to make my life as easy as possible. I loved my son dearly, and I didn't implement BW as rigidly as some, but at the same time, I was a new mother who really wanted an instruction manual, and that's what they offer.

I think that's why it's still appealing, even though there is so much bad publicity. And I have seen it work for some people, although now it makes my heart ache to think of the crying that they allowed those babies to suffer.

But all in all, I think it's just the kind of thing that is always going to appeal to some people, no matter how much truth we try to proclaim. You know?

Posted by: dcrmom at July 22, 2007 02:49 PM

I've personally never used Ezzo. However, hearing the name always reminds me of this incident (It would be funny if it wasn't so very sad) regarding my son's school friend:

Timmy, age 8, along with his 2 younger sisters were children of a rather unique set of parents.
Timmy was a sweety but the girls were out of control. The parents were encouraged by a social worker to take a GKGW class. I don't know the details entirely but a few weeks into the class the parents asked us if it would be okay for Timmy to come home from school with our son and spend the evenings two days a week . It turns out that on these days they were attend GKGW and they had child care for the girls but Timmy was being left in the car while the parents were inside learning how to be Ezzo parents!!!!!!

Needless to say, Timmy was welcomed. The parents completed the class. Sad to say, but I don't think it made a difference.

Posted by: TammiK at July 22, 2007 06:40 PM

When I had my first child, I was given the book Babywise and all my Mom friends at the time were Ezzo followers. I regret trying the Ezzo way and did not do it for my second & third boys. That was what worked for me- and what I found was that I am a much more connected and attached mom this way, and many of my "Ezzo friends" are the most un-attached and dis-connected moms I know. Not saying that is how it is for everyone, but that is what I've observed. I went from trying Babywise with my 1st child to co-sleeping, extended bf-ing, & babywearing my last baby and I LOVE THIS WAY SO MUCH BETTER!!!


Posted by: Adventures In Babywearing at July 22, 2007 07:22 PM

My (well-meaning) SIL gave me Babywise years before I got pregnant with my first. I read it cover to cover and thought, "Heck yeah! Baby sleeps through the night at six weeks? Who wouldn't want that?" When we finally did have a baby, I tried and tried (and tried) to apply BW prinicples and daily (hourly) beat myself up that I couldn't let my daughter CIO. I was convinced I would be responsible for ruining my marriage and my home and that I would be raising a spoiled rotten emotional mess of a child because I just. couldn't. do it.

Anyway, thank God (literally) when my daughter was about 5 or 6 months old, a copy of Sears' Baby Book found its way to my hands, and I discovered a world of parenting that allowed me to trust myself in parenting the child God sent to me. I know it's wrong, but I still feel so much bitterness towards Ezzo, et al., that even reading posts like this makes my blood pressure soar.

Thanks for sharing all of this. (Clicked over here from Rocks in My Dryer - so glad I did!)

Posted by: Megan at Sortacrunchy at July 22, 2007 10:08 PM

I somewhat feel like I'm "coming out to the closet" on this topic. This was a hot topic of internet discussions back when my girls were little (and blogging wasn't even invented!), so this is not something new that I'm discussing. It's just, my girls are older and it doesn't come up as much.

Personally I think parenting styles are as different as the clothes we choose to wear. I would be hard pressed to say that one way is better than another. It comes down to the individual parent/child relationship. And I would venture to say that most of the Moms that post here want what's best for their child and try their best no matter what they choose.

I was introduced to Babywise by a close friend way back before I had kids. I read the book when I was pg with #1 and it made sense to me. I also read about 15 other parenting books on top of spending a lot of time in prayer and seeking advice from close friends. I did schedule feed our first daughter and had great success. She slept through the night at 8 wks and is still an excellent sleeper 8 years later. When #2 came along I had read a different book called The Secrets of the Baby Whisperer and to be honest, I like Baby Whisperer better. It was still scheduled feeding, but gave more practical advice and dealt more with the childs personality. My second child did better than the first, but like most Mom's I was more relaxed the second time around. Again, my second daugther was sleeping 12 hours a night by the time she was 10 wks old. And I never once let her "cry it out". I didn't have to, I just paid attention to her cues and things when really smoothly. She's 5.5 and still an excellent sleeper. Neither of my girls have ever had any sleep issues.

I know probably over 30 families that schedule fed their kids (not all following the Baby Wise plan to the letter) and I've never heard of one family that had trouble (I knew some that choose to not schedule feed, but it was more of a personal choice than because they were having any problems). Most of the kids I knew are now over 5 and go up to age 13 (I would guess I know personally know up to 50+ kids). These kids are happy, well adjusted, close to their parents, no unusual behavorial problems, none of them are under weight or have health issues due to being schedule fed. My girls could not be more connected to me! We have a very close family. Do I think it's because I schedule fed - NO! I think it's because I'm a good Mom and I have a great husband and we work together and my girls feel safe, loved and secure.

To me schedule feeding was about teaching my girls the art of sleep! I would venture to say that a lot of kids don't get enough sleep at night and that will have a long term affect on behavior, grades, physical activity and other issues. We all know what it's like to be around a kid that has not had enough sleep! Do I agree with everything that the Ezzo says? No! Do I agree with everything that any book has to say about parenting? No! I read books and glean from them the information that appeals to me and makes the most sense for my family. We all have different comfort levels and parenting styles. My personal experience is that most people fall somewhere in the middle. In my opinion the greatest debate comes between the AP parents and schedule feeding parents because they are so opposite from each other (I know just as much about AP as I do scheduled feeding, read many books and done a lot of research). So it would make sense that there would be a debate between those opposing postions. But, hey isn't that what makes the world go around :o) I think it's most important that you're honoring the Lord with your parenting and you trust His leading. After all He invented parenting!
Georgia Mom

Posted by: Georgia Mom at July 22, 2007 10:51 PM

We went through the GKGW course at our church and have applied it (in part) with all three of our kids (5,3,1). We have liked it and much of what it says is pretty much common-sense stuff (imo).

I was confused as to all the controversy honestly because what I read in the books and what people were saying about it just didn't seem to match up. In regards to BFing/schedule, Ezzo says to be flexible. They say to watch & if your child is hungry before a certain time, to feed them. I used it with all three kids and ALL three were nursed until they were a year (one longer). All three were sleeping through the night by 6-8 weeks.

As with ANY parenting book/philosophy/advice/etc, you have to take what you like & believe in and apply that to your family. Each child is different and sometimes you need to tweek things here and there. Do we follow Ezzo religiously? Not at all but I did learn A LOT of good things from going through that material and I think I'm a better parent because of it.

We could all sit around and gripe about a lot of parenting philosophies as NONE are perfect.

Posted by: Nicole at July 22, 2007 11:27 PM

I used Babywise for my 1st, and started to use it with my 2nd. I was pointed to Ezzo.info shortly after her birth, and banished Babywise from my home. I, too, lost my milk supply early, and found out so much about breastfeeding through reading other materials, that I just couldn't reconcile using BW anymore. I don't know anyone locally who uses it, but I don't bother to ask either.

If anyone asked me, I'd tell them to read it if they want, but make sure they also check out Ezzo.info before they start using it...

Posted by: Faerylandmom at July 23, 2007 12:23 AM

that is very interesting. i've never heard of this, so i'm glad to be informed. i've never been one for parenting books and i never took child births classes (well i didn't have the chance with a premie)...but i have heard people talk about they can't feed the baby for another hr because it wasn't time and now perhaps i know why! this is hard to read and think people actually go by these books! it's a baby - give it what it wants! don't make a 2 month old "cry it out" because it needs to be on a schedule! oh, i could go on!

Posted by: lisa h. at July 23, 2007 11:28 PM

Yes, the book is still popular, because it's common sense and it works. If you follow it as he recommends-- as a routine to follow while exercising your common sense, there's no reason for alarm. All this anti-Ezzo stuff actually makes it more likely that people will follow it. It cracks me up that people are willing to devote SO much time to destroying something that works for thousands of moms. (Including me and my three, going on four, little blessings!)


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